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Improvement over original, but not groundbreaking

3 Rating: 3, Useful: 60 / 106
Date: November 02, 2006
Author: Amazon User

At first glance, the graphics are on par with Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil. That's not good since that game came out in 2003. But after a little while I've decided they are a little better than that, about 1-2 years advanced from the original NWN (which is 4 years old). But not up to snuff for late 2006/early 2007. Perhaps lesser graphics are necessary for the Toolset, since they need to be mass-producable (sp?). At least this time you can see your cloaks when you wear them without the unstable CEP.

The provided campaign (I'm still in Chapter 2) is rather boring to me. I do not see as being more immersive as someone else said, just less exciting or interesting. But less than half of the original NWN players I've spoken with over the years were not very excited about the original storyline either. Conversation in the Official Campaign are an improvement over the original, but that may be because of the movie animations involved that the toolset probably can't provide to the average module builder. I have only just opened the Toolset, so I cannot yet comment on how user-friendly it is. But it is different from the first one.

My recommendations are thus: if you want a single-player game, wait until the price drops and bugs are worked out (advice for almost all games). If you are the more creative type and are most interested in the Toolset, then I would suggest going ahead and getting it so that we have something to play when the rest of us finish trudging through the OC. For multi-player play, I can't really comment except to say visit the official forums and wait until the first patch is actually ready.

The wait is over....

1 Rating: 1, Useful: 24 / 54
Date: November 02, 2006
Author: Amazon User

...and it was all for naught! I loved the original Neverwinter Nights and was looking forward to this title. All the 'insiders' gave it rave reviews. What were they thinking? This game has a horrible feel. It's absolutely boring and the controls are wanting. (I have a 256 MB nvidia graphics card...still lags after adjusting gameplay options, etc) My system runs the game well, it's just that the game is awful--great hardware can't fix that. The new dialog system is nice and a lot of the other ideas are well-intentioned, but the end product is a very, very boring game. I only hope I have enough time to cancel the Limited Edition I have on order.
Additional comment after edit: It's obvious that these guys put a lot of work into the effort. I truly empathize with them as human beings. But manipulating Amazon's rating system by saying negative reviews aren't helpful while all positive reviews are helpful is obvious and demeans the intelligence of those who read the reviews. Put a demo out like one of the latest reviews suggests. Let people play the crappy game before they decide. Oops...they won't do that (for obvious reasons) Sorry you guys put hours upon hours on an ill-conceived plan. I empathize with you, but you failed.

Enjoyable game

5 Rating: 5, Useful: 7 / 22
Date: November 02, 2006
Author: Amazon User

Having played Neverwinter Nights, I have been impatiently waiting for this sequel. The game is quite enjoyable and immersive. This is no fast-paced superficial hack and slash but a deeper role-playing experience. The editor will make the replay value of this game phenomenal.

Pretty bad for a A+ game

2 Rating: 2, Useful: 21 / 50
Date: November 03, 2006
Author: Amazon User

Firstly despite having a system with requirements I have to turn all the graphics options way down to make it even halfway playable.

Constant fighting with the camera to get a decent viewing position.

Very very long loading screens. Even for something as simple as going through a door in an inn to get to a upper floor.

Essentially dull gameplay as you HAVE to space bar pause the game endlessly in combat to fight with the camera to even find the next target. Thats just with the fighter I rolled, a caster would be even worse.

Wasn't enjoying endless dialogue cut scenes either. I held out through the starting area hoping that it was just setting the stage and teaching game mechanics. Then the first character you meet outside the start zone is a Dwarven Monk who "likes punching people in the face" and woo-hoo you're in luck because we can trek all the way to Neverwinter together.

Rrrrrrrrrright.

Uninstall. Toss game into the used pile on Amazon. Post review so as not to feel guilty about selling it to anyone without a warning.

2 Stars because it *might* play better on some kind of ZOMG powerful computer.

Clarification

4 Rating: 4, Useful: 13 / 33
Date: November 03, 2006
Author: Amazon User

Just a quick point:

The problems (with graphics, etc.) expressed below are experienced by a minority of people who have systems that meet the requirements but unfortunately (due to some sort of oversight of the developer's part) have issues running the game.

In case you're holding off on buying this game, my advice is don't, especially if you're a D&D fan or liked the original Neverwinter Nights. The largely negative reviews here on Amazon make perfect sense...

Because the rest of us are still playing the game!

Sad, buggy sequel- Developers should feel shamed

1 Rating: 1, Useful: 18 / 28
Date: November 03, 2006
Author: Amazon User

Please do not waste your money, like I did. The game is VERY buggy, and has tons of broken elements. It was clearly done on a low budget, and is just leveraging the great success of the first version.

The graphics look like they are from the mid-90's, and the gameplay is just... a joke. So sad- I wish I could get a refund. Especially, because my game broke only part way though. (my brothers snagged on a bug even earlier). I feel robbed and cheated... and mostly just dissapointed.

Falls way short of the original (See expanded review)

1 Rating: 1, Useful: 10 / 20
Date: November 03, 2006
Author: Amazon User

This is more like Icewind Dale than NWN.

If there was a demo I wouldn't have bought it.

If you like NWN you probably won't like NWN2. They removed many useful things NWN had, made it so large pw's won't be possible, there's hardly any monsters.

A horrible let down

I loved the first- and this was horrible!!!

1 Rating: 1, Useful: 17 / 24
Date: November 04, 2006
Author: Amazon User

Please do not waste your money, like I did. The game is VERY buggy, and has tons of broken elements. It was clearly done on a low budget, and is just leveraging the great success of the first version.

The graphics look like they are from the mid-90's, and the gameplay is just... a joke. So sad- I wish I could get a refund. Especially, because my game broke only part way though. (my brothers snagged on a bug even earlier). I feel robbed and cheated... and mostly just dissapointed.

Not a suitable successor to NWN (Expanded after 20+ hours use)

1 Rating: 1, Useful: 15 / 18
Date: November 04, 2006
Author: Amazon User

Many bad things about this title and performance isn't one of them for me as it runs fine.

Bad:
Radial menus are gone.

No more quick chat options like greetings and goodbye.

Campaign is linear.

No exploration as there are no longer any area transitions. Go to world map, click area, fight in small area, go to world map, continue over and over.

Toolset is not intuitive and frustrating to use. If you think NWN's was difficult this one is much worse. NWN's is far superior in ease of use.

There are very few tilesets and they lack what NWN's have.

There are no longer any Item, Monster, Clothing, wizards in the toolset.

They used the same character soundsets as NWN but they're worse.

Camera edge scrolling is too slow to use effectively. There is no way to adjust edge scrolling.

Chase camera is useless underground because walls obstruct view.

Cannot put 2 weapons or shield and weapon on quick slot - Dual Wield

Cannot unequip a weapon using quick slot. It must be done manually from the inventory screen.

Cannot put skills/feats on quick slots.

AI party characters get stuck and cannot move.

AI party characters must be micro managed as the AI is horrible. You have to keep pausing the game to get everyone working together, unpause for a few seconds, pause and rearrange them, and so on, and so on.

AI sometimes will not do what you order them to.

Direction keys WASD over control movement making it very difficult.

New targeting system is difficult and you end up casting spells on the wrong target constantly.

No Linux support.

No Great Cleave of Coup-de-Grace animations. the monsters around you just drop dead without anyone touching them.

Cannot drag a box or ctrl click all of your party members to select them all; Like older titles from Obsidian??

Character heads pretty much all look them same. You can give them different hair styles though.

Hardly any monsters. They used different colors or just renamed some monsters with the same model. The first part of the campaign is just fighting dwarfs. No Minotaurs, Hobgoblins, only 2 dragons.

no rideable horses which NWN has

DM client is beta as they planned not to add one even though the 1st has it

Large persitant worlds are gone because of huge memory requirements (Developer's own words) This is probably why it shipped with D&D online a pay per month subscription

Don't ask me how but there is lag in offline play

Non-stop cutscenes

Poor animations

No more character portaits

Hardly any variation in armor, weapons, clothing, items, etc - Falls way short of NWN

Graphics are better than NWN but mediocre when compared to other current titles. Frame rates are worse than titles with better graphics!

Obsidian dropped the ball on this one. They have not listened to the large NWN following and have implemented what they want, not the customer.

If you're thinking about buying, it is more like Baldurs Gate than NWN. Even the "You have been waylaid by enemies," on the world map is back. If you like Icewind Dale or Baldurs Gate you'll probably like this.

Neverwinter Nights it is not.

If you own NWN stick with it, if you like the sound of this type game buy NWN Diamond edition. It is far superior to NWN2.

Experience:
28 years D&D player, DM
NWN player since original release
PW world developer

DONT pay attention to the poor review below..

5 Rating: 5, Useful: 3 / 9
Date: November 04, 2006
Author: Amazon User

I have no idea what this other guy is talking about; NWN 2 is amazing. It offers about 50 hours of gameplay (10x better than 1st NWN). The graphics aren't great, but they scenery/sound is absolutely amazing because unlike the 1st NWN which used tilesets, NWN 2 actually uses heightened textures. The story mode is amazing as well, with great sounding dialogue throughout. There were some bugs, but the patch fixes many of them. Also, it's great how you can obtain strongholds, train your army, and manage a small economy.

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