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Not a good game

2 Rating: 2, Useful: 0 / 0
Date: March 17, 2007
Author: Amazon User

I've been with the "Wild Arms" series from the ground floor. The first game was very nice for its time, with numerous extras, an interesting story, and an excellent, quick-paced battle system. The second game was incredible, with a search option built in, an number of extras, and a great story which was unfortunately marred by a translation which ceased to make sense on the 2nd disc (in fact, it literally makes NO SENSE at times). The first PS2 offering, WA3, was a very nice game. Although the graphics weren't great, I liked the idea of cel-shading, and the game itself was very fun, and long. The remake of WA, "Alter Code:F", was a disaster, of course, but nevermind about that.

Now, this brings us to WA4. I bought this game immediately upon release, but for whatever reason, I never played it. Now I know why - this game is bad-to-mediocre, at best.

Let's begin with the story, the cornerstone of any RPG. Boring. Unnecessary. Insipid. These are words that come to mind. I don't mind that a game doesn't continue in the exact same fashion as its predecessors (in fact, with the sole exception of the "Suikoden" series, this is generally a sign of a decaying franshise), but there is absolutely nothing interesting in this latest story set on "Filgaia". The game itself clocks in at about 40 hours (less if you can make good use of "Lucky Cards" and the like), and most of it is a dungeon-crawl. There are about 4 towns, TOTAL, in the game, and you get absolutely nothing from speaking with townspeople. NOTHING. They don't add to the story - in fact, their ramblings often make zero sense in the game itself. I won't spoil the story, but it essentially steals from WA2 (in a bad way), and has absolutely nothing that will make you want to play on, other than the desire to get through this stinker.

Graphics. Not as important in an RPG, and actually, I kind of like the graphics here. The outlines of the cel-shaded characters have disappeared, but this shouldn't come as a surprise - it's been years since the last WA game was released. There is little to distinguish the graphics of this game from its predecessor other than that cited above, however, and the game lacks the ability to move the camera, which is an annoyance when trying to spot treasure chests (and by the way, there are only 178 chests in this game, far less than the last offering. This isn't surprising since there are fewer dungeons and towns in this game than in the last one).

Gameplay. It's a disaster. Dungeons are long and boring, and make up the majority of the game. The puzzles are easy, but annoying, requiring long, out-of-the-way trips to obtain tools to light torches, or the like. There is one light here - I love the option of turning off encounters when you fulfill certain conditions. It doesn't really make the game more fun, but it's an innovation I would like to see in more RPG's down the line.

Battle: The HEX system is a great idea that isn't utilized in any way, shape or form. Boss battles tend to be ridiculously easy (cast "Slow Down" and "Lock", and you won't lose), and regular battles are either easy or cheap (basically, if the computer gets to take 4 turns before your characters, you're gonna feel pain. Otherwise, you're in the clear). The strategy aspect is there, but it is rarely necessary. One of the final battles is a nightmare, however, but that's OK - there's nothing that would prepare you for it anyway.

Extras: Totally drops the ball in this regard. The arena has turned into a lot of tedious, single battles, all of which cost money, and none of which give you any feeling of accomplishment. The Sheriff's Star (the best badge in the game) is an exercise in tedium - it take millenia to obtain the necessary ingredients, and the rewards are meager (OK, you are now the strongest character in existence. The regular game bosses are still a joke, and Angolmois is still a nightmare). There are a few sealed monsters (as in all the series), but now it is an incredible pain to open their seals (often requiring a ridiculous amount of backtracking, because you lost the tool necessary to open the seal). I find it to me more ordeal than fun challenge.

There are also a few bugs in the game. It is impossible to find every monster in the game - some of them were removed from gameplay, yet were NOT removed from the monster list. That's unacceptable.

I fear WA4 may be the last in the series. If so, that's too bad - a great series has been marred by two terrible outings. I give the game two stars overall, because in the hands of better developers, there are some excellent innovations here that could really make for some interesting gameplay.

Wild Arms 4......

5 Rating: 5, Useful: 0 / 2
Date: January 22, 2006
Author: Amazon User

Having come across Wild Arms during the third installment, I was hooked on the Wild West Themed RPG almost instantly. There was something about the game that appealed to the 'cowboy' in me. Out of all the RPGs I've played on the Playstation 2, I consider Wild Arms 3 to be one of the finest RPGs I've ever played on the system. You can imagine my surprise when I began playing Wild Arms 4 and find out it's nothing like the previous installment. Sure, it acknowledges it's six-shooter history but this installment seriously downplays the Wild West theme in favor of a more postapocalytic setting. Not that Wild Arms 4 is a bad game, by any means. In fact, it's a pretty dadgummed good one. It's just if you're coming into it expecting it to be like the first three installments, well- you'll be just as surprised as I was and sadly mistaken. Wild Arms 4 tells the story of Jude Maverick and a group of his friends trying to stop a coalition of congressional knights and save everyone in the process.

I will have to give Media Vision a nod for trying to create a little something new with the series this time around, especially with the new HEX battle system and it's challenging platforming segments(yes, you read that right...platforming segments). The game is a beauty with it's anime style characters, lush environments and whatnot....graphically, the best game in the series thus far. When you're trying to compete with the heavyweights out there, you have to shake things up a little bit to get people to notice. In that respect, Media Vision did quite nicely. The only thing I found wrong with the game is that it's rather short. Depending on if you're a hardcore RPG gamer or not; you can finish Wild Arms 4 in, literally, a day or less. I will point out that I've read many reviews online that state the game clocks in around 40 hours to complete. Either way, it's not too bad.

In closing, I did enjoy Wild Arms 4 despite all the changes made and recommend it to fans of the series, casual or hardcore RPG gamers. However, I hope they return the series to its' roots when and if there is another installment. If you can't wait that long and need another 'Wild West' RPG fix, let me suggest Western Lords...coming to the Nintendo DS real soon.

Deserves a high rating

5 Rating: 5, Useful: 0 / 1
Date: January 06, 2008
Author: Amazon User

I was completely impressed with this game. As an RPG series, Wild Arms has evolved very well. And 4th Detonator is absolutely an improvement on past installments.

But although Wild Arms 4 offers a great RPG experience, the best part of the game is the story line. You simply can't get this kind of writing from contemporary Hollywood movies.

Anyone who is looking for an alternative to mainstream media should check it out.

Not enough stars for this one

5 Rating: 5, Useful: 1 / 5
Date: March 09, 2006
Author: Amazon User

Okay, so Alter Code F stunk, right? So this should be no different, right? Wrong to the max! This game is off da chains 30+ hours of entertainment extreme! This was the best game I've played since Dragon Quest VIII, and my favorite Wild Arms ever. I just couldn't stop playing. Fun but simple platforming, innovative battle system, unique characters, and nostalgic enemies galore (gob gob). To the non-WA fan, maybe not so, but to the WA fan, maybe so!

So many flaws (characters/plot) and yet I love it.

3 Rating: 3, Useful: 1 / 3
Date: February 18, 2007
Author: Amazon User

When I buy a game, I buy it for the characters and plot. Unfortunatly, Wild Arms 4 had so many stereotypes, that I only liked one of the main heroes from beginnig to end.
Jude-Your typical anime boy. There's nothing special about him.
Yulie-The most annoying character in the game. She was tortured as a kid, but is still the winning candidate for the Ms. Nicey-Nice award. Apoligizes way too much and never does anything semi-mean(minus the scene that introduces Gawn.)
Arnaud-The only character that held my interest the entire game. Along with most of the villians, he makes up for the blandness of all the other heroes.
Raquel-Starts out all OMG FRIENDSHIP IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THING IN THE WORLD!!!!1!!1, but gets better as the game progresses.
PLOT
The plot starts decent, but then it melts and turns into a pile of mediocrity, although you might enjoy it if you like predictable storylines.
MUSIC
The western themes may get on your nerves. The opening theme on the PRESS START screen started with good piano music, which I loved. Then, the western thing started and I was all, "oh great, I spent 20 bucks on a cowboy game!?" VERY misleading.
GAMEPLAY
Wild Arms 4 is short (I finished it in 25 hours.) However, the degree of difficulty is alarmingly low (the last boss wasn't even that much of a challenge!)Other than that, the gameplay is fine.
PHILOSIPHY
It starts with "what makes an adult," which is fine, but then, transtions to "the future." This is annoying.
ENDING
I played the game for 25 hoours and my reward was? A cheesy ending...(I literally cried it was so horrible. Not to mention *spoilers* ALMOST EVERYONE DIED!!! Even one of the heroes! *end spoilers*)
OVERALL
Wilds Arms 4 is okay, but not the next Final Fantasy/Okami/whatever.
In the words of Adam Sessler and Morgan Webb, Wild Arms 4 gets a 3 out of 5.

Sheer Disappointment

2 Rating: 2, Useful: 1 / 2
Date: June 28, 2006
Author: Amazon User

I've played Wild Arms 1-4 and I just ordered Alter Code F and I needed to share my thoughts about this game.

The game was too short and frankly I don't think making it longer would have helped at all.

PROS:
The graphics are nice and the battle system is definitely different with the grid fighting area.

CONS:
The storyline, which helped endear the whole Wild Arms series for me, is so very weak. It's cheesy and it felt like I was reading some sort of sugar sweet greeting card with characters spouting slogans about love and friendship etc etc. Character developement was non-existent. The whole storyline, such as it is, ends abruptly with still picture explanations at the end. The story was so linear it was rigid.

There's also no challenge with this game. I finished it in less than a week.

For the gamers who have played the earlier games of this series get ready to be disappointed. It's a pale shadow to the earlier Wild Arms. For those who have never played a Wild Arms game I can best describe this as an introduction to the series. Nothing more.

Play the older Wild Arms games. They are much more enjoyable than this one.

"What da freak is this???"

1 Rating: 1, Useful: 3 / 12
Date: March 05, 2006
Author: Amazon User

Did a terrorist sneak into the factory and replace the game disk with one that his ten year old kid made at Bummer School?....'cause I can not recognize it. This game in no way resembles the first three Wild Arms games in any way, shape or form...especially in the quality department. After playing this game for only one hour I threw in the towel out of shear boredom and kissed my hard earned money goodbye! Pong was more exciting. If the makers of this game had one iota of integrity they would stop making games and mug people in the park for money...at least they would be showing enough courage to look their victims in the eye when robbing them. The gameplay would be laughable if I hadn't shelled out fifty bucks for this abortion. I for one am going to go and replay Wild Arms 3....better a rerun of a good game than being bored senseless by a bad new game.

Wild Yawn 4

1 Rating: 1, Useful: 4 / 6
Date: July 28, 2006
Author: Amazon User

Wild Arms 4 feels more like a "my first rpg" than a continuation or sequel of anything. A stable of annoying and cliched characters and a plot that you can guess the turns before they even appear there is little to redeem the game from the lower depths of mediocrity. Between the hastily assembled group of super kids and the plethora of "evil" adults instead of being a coming of age story it seems more like an angry fanfic experience from a twelve year old who has been sent to his room on punishment. And with lines like "This anti tank chainsaw is made for close quarter combat with tanks" and "It's the earthbound spirits of the undead, we better be careful" it's easy to believe that this story was in fact written by a child. There are some smatterings of evolution and nanomachines mentioned in an attempt to sound pseudo scientific but it's usually brought up as if I'm being given a science lesson and by the time they finish talking, what small part of the plot that I actually did find interesting is forgotten. Then there are the puzzles. Normally I don't mind puzzles especially when they're relevant to the story at hand. In Wild Arms I simply found them out of place and distracting. I'm in a secret military base, why am I maneuvering spring boards to jump to a higher level? Spring boards? That leads to top secret areas? Yeah right. Not to mention the numerous times when I was required to use the "wonder" staff and the "wonder" sword and the all so handy "wonder" pot. I simply wondered what they were doing in the game.

The "villains" and their plan to rule the world is so comical that it would do Cobra Commander proud and the "heroes" aren't much better. Jude and Yulie are the poster children for goody two shoes. One wants to solve the world's problems and the other just wants to help everyone. Not only that Jude earns everyone's admiration for his ability to trust and see the good in people, his desire to save the world, and his conviction. He converts even the hardest villains with his innocence and goodwill and hope for the future. Yulie was the typical good girl who wants to help and love everyone, and with the strength of her friends and love on her side there isn't anything that she can't do. I don't think that I've ever encountered two more irritating characters and I didn't even have the option of switching either one out of my party. I was stuck with them.

The game wasn't a complete disaster however; the game play is actually interesting and somewhat enjoyable. The controls however, were hit or miss. Sometimes a command would execute flawlessly, other times it seemed to hesitate. The most nerve wrecking however was attempting to use the aforementioned "wonder" items. A majority of the time I was required to shoot something whether it be a flame or a ball of light from the wonder item of the day and Jude would slide all over the place making what should have been an easy task a chore.

The graphics were well done and I liked the character design for Raquel. It was refreshing to have a female video game character that wasn't scantily clad and flashing panty shots all of the time. Interesting game play and nice graphics however, were not enough to make up for the juvenile, predictable story and the annoying characters. The whole "children are the future" theme was repeated so many times that I was slightly disappointed that the ending song wasn't "The Greatest Love of All" by Whitney Houston.

The series obviously has its number of dedicated fans, but this game failed to make me one of them. If you don't mind playing out a mediocre story littered with lines from a Care Bears special in order to utilize a decent battle system, go for it. Some people actually enjoyed this game, I'm just not one of them.

Well, it's not bad.

4 Rating: 4, Useful: 3 / 3
Date: December 21, 2006
Author: Amazon User

I'm enjoying this, but I have reservations. I'll dispense with the plot quickly, as it's the standard fodder: A boy with a confused past encounters a sweet and fragile girl with immense powers, whom crazed warring factions plan to exploit for great evil. He decides to protect her and they team up with more characters along the way (including one who knows magic, and one who has great physical fighting skills) and uncovering a plot to destroy the planet and end life as we know it - good grief, are we ever going to get anything new? Still it's serviceable enough so let's just concentrate on the other areas that make an RPG work or fail. So first of all, the battle system.

Well I was quite pleased with this. The new HEX system gives the player plenty of choices to make and you need to approach fighting in this game rather differently to most regular RPG's. For this reason I would warn you that you may well be fairly bewildered at the start and although there is in-game tuition, it really does pay to read the manual properly first - and probably twice. I'm a gamer who hates manuals but I didn't know what to do without it for once, as so much of then game is NOT self explanatory. Just so you know.

Anyway, the HEX system uses turn based play for battles, but you have to take into account the placement of characters on a small field area that is divided into 7 adjoining hexagonal blocks. At the start of each fight, you'll be presented with your team of four scattered randomly into one or more of the 7 spaces, and the enemy or enemies will be similarly placed (Any game screenshot that shows one of the battles will give you the idea). Now, everything that happens is influenced as much by position in relation to comrades and enemies, as it is to strength and ability, and you'll find that moving to the right space is as important as what you decide to do (moving one space takes up a turn in the same was as an attack or item action). Physical attacks can only be performed to an adjacent space, so you have to move to a space beside a monster to attack physically. Of course this means they can do the same to you. Sharing a block with your comrades means you share it's effects, so you could all take damage from an attack, or you could all benefit from one heal item. Furthermore, some blocks can be booby-trapped, or give the person in them extra elemental attack power, or poison them, while other skills can trap you (or the enemy) in one place permanently to become a sitting duck, or conversely you might find a skill permitting a jump to any chosen block for free. The options are attractively complex and I really liked this aspect of the game. I'm not exaggerating when I say it potentially makes every fight unique, as the opening random placements have endless combinations, and without taking some care, even a fight against weak enemies can go very badly wrong. I certainly had a lot of fun experimenting.

Another aspect that the Wild Arms series is good at is making the dungeon puzzles very physical, by which I mean you actually have to execute certain manouvers to get through them, such as skillful platform jumping and timed dashes to hit all switches or reach a gate before a bridge crumbles away. There are also various "tools" about like bombs, sharp instruments and crates that mean you have to work your brain and find out what would allow you to flip that out of reach switch or make it across a wide gap. At these times it's more like Tomb Raider than an RPG game, but I like the fact that Wild Arms games allow you to flex different playing styles rather than just the one.

Ok, now for the bad news. The game plays well but the presentation of it is quite poor. By which I mean the graphics. It's ok when your character is roaming around a dungeon or village, as these are well made with some very nice scenery and buildings - but first of all, you are stuck with a totally fixed camera, which seriously devalues the lovely 3 dimensional locations - you can never look around at will so they may as well have been pre rendered. At least the platforming and puzzle solving aspects have a good character model to play with, which jumps and dashes about in a nicely controllable fashion.

But the conversations and cut scenes...! These are just awful. Any time you approach a NPC, the action switches to a static screen fronted by a non-animated manga drawing of that person, along with a text-only conversation to click through. This also happens when you enter any town building - as none of them have explorable interiors -or have a group discussion, or some important revalation happens - it's like reading a comic book as you look at all these drawings of facial expressions and scroll through the text. Some important exposition is even told in a narrator style with words like "And then such and such a thing happened" being displayed over a blank screen.

On a very few occasions the in-game models of the cast are seen in action, but these 3-D versions are really blocky and primitive compared to what other PS2 games are managing to do these days, and they seriously compromise the supposed emotions or dramatic mood that the scripts is calling for whenever they are on screen...maybe that's why all the emotional conversations are left to the drawings. Which would be fine for a PS1 game, but in 2006, there is really no excuse for 3D character models to look this dull, and you might want to take this into account before buying the game.

My second gripe is that this game is relatively short, in that it's certainly less epic than Wild Arms 3, with a smaller world of locations to explore, easier dungeon puzzles and a shorter overall quest in general. Wild Arms 3 had a large, "playable" world map that you had to traverse and explore, however Wild Arms 4 has cut cut this out entirely, leaving just a static illustration, which you stick a pin into at your chosen destination and the game will take you there. It also has far less side quests and areas, but it does have a few of the more common RPG extras, such as very rare enemies that are very seldom found but worth high rewards to beat, a battle arena where you pay money to fight for prizes, a workshop for synthesizing rare items and weapons, and some optional secret bosses which are harder to fight than the in-game final boss.

Thes extra bosses are tough, and unfortunately this is one RPG where grinding away at random battles purely to level up is very gruelling, as the experience needed to reach the higher levels takes a LOT of perseverance. Once you reach the mid-way mark, it seems like only boss fights are giving you any experience worth having, and even the game's final and strongest regular random encounters will have to be hammered away at many dozens of times just to go up one level. But take heart, because managing your character levels is handled rather differently in this game anyway, and you may be shocked to learn that your final HP level may not be drastically more than it was when you started, due to a very fluid system that works by the earning and deploying of points. As you level up, more of these points are amassed, and you choose the balance between assigning them to either your HP level, your MP level or to nifty skills. Don't worry too much about making bad choices though, as these points can be moved about at any time as required. Which means that you'll be thinking about strategies and which attributes need boosting in relation to whichever boss fight or tricky area is coming up, rather than just buffing everything. It's a good idea, and one that provides a nice bit of diversion that just plain old stat-boosting.

So, with the dungeons and battle system being this much fun, I can overlook the primitive character graphics that seriously hampered my emotional involvement with the story. Plus the save system works quite well - saves are spaced far apart, but all the fights (both bosses and random encounters) allow you to re-start the failed battle from the beginning again if all your team should fall, thus avoiding the dreaded Game Over screen if you fall foul of some unexpected disaster after you have made loads of progress since your last save, as a restarted random battle may have a different arrangement of hexes from the one that killed you. It also helps with the optional bosses, as you can test out different strategies without worrying too much about failure, as you don't have to reload and repeat some long trek from your last save to try again. You will have to reload the save if you need to re-arrange your point distribution though, but if thats the case, you're probably attempting something too early!

In balance, then, Wild Arms 4 has more good points than bad. I've enjoyed it a lot, even though I was initially bewildered by some of it's more quirky aspects. But once I understood all of the features, I was pretty much in it for the full duration, so even though it's not an "A" list RPG, it's still worth playing.

More Tamed than Wild, but funny enough

3 Rating: 3, Useful: 3 / 3
Date: March 16, 2006
Author: Amazon User

A big fan of "Wild Arms 3" - a great western-meets-tech-and-magic RPG in anime-style - I could not wait until some publisher decided for an European localization of "Wild Arms 4th Detonator"(WA4) and had to get the NTSC-version first hand. Maybe I should've waited and checked more reviews before letting anticipation get the better of me...

It is not only the sky above his peaceful town that shatters for young Jude Maverick when he observes soldiers marching off the invading metal birds' bellies right into his hometown: stranded beyond the world he knew all his life, he and some companions gathered along the way have to take up arms against strange beasts and left-over fanatics from a great war that left the planet Filgaia a desolate place; fanatics who, in their war-twisted minds, intend to shape a new and even more cruel world, giving the motto "survival of the fittest" another dimension...
WA4 tries to modernize lots of aspects of the series but fails to preserve it's charms. For the story and it's characters: the player's party is likeable enough, though fans of the previous instalments may miss some depth in each member's background. The main topic between them seems to be "what (decision/behaviour/etc.) makes you become adult..." - for me, that would be experience and age, so it's not that much of a philosophic point to discuss through hours and hours of play-time, is it?
The opposing group, a crew of gene-manipulated war-veterans, fails to present any stringent philosophy either (apart from slight variations of that "survival-yagayaga"), so, to add a bit of drama, all that's left is a thin brother-sister-theme between the ranks of the two teams. Big yawn.
The consequence is obvious: there's no surprising twists in the plot worth mentioning.

The gameplay is what saved WA4 all the stars it scored with me. The Hex-Grid fights are fast and call for some tactics and ahead thinking - especially with the bosses. Gather the whole party on one Hex and you can, e.g., heal all by using up only one item/action, but a powerful opponent could take that chance and wipe out your party in one go - effects are aimed at Hexes rather than at characters. The battle comments, especially those of some opponents, are funny and varied.
The slight twist towards jump n' run-like basic movements makes dungeon exploration more fast-paced and calls for dexterity far more than for thinking. I prefer the puzzle-like quality of WA3's dungeons, yet there's some challenge in the new ones as well (especially with the "multiplying" money-hunt in accelerator-mode).

WA4 is fun to play and, having said that, it may seem a bit of a harsh judgement only scoring it three stars. So, why? Role-players with some experience (clever use of Lucky Cards, etc.) will be able to face the final boss after about 30 to 40 hours, plus some additional time for the arena, treasure hunt and hidden bosses, say about 10 - 20 hours; that's 60 hours at best. WA3 was fun worth at least 100 hours, the right duration for a full-fledged RPG to be. There's some kind of play-again feature in WA4, but the story didn't thrill me the first time around, so...
WA4 is a good start into the RPG-genre, however. The funny and fast-paced fight/jump n'run -mixture and the straight story/gameplay-basis make it a warm welcome to role-playing; if you have not played something from the Final Fantasy or Wild Arms series before, the lack of twists in the story won't weigh that much.
RPG-Veterans should consider taking on a more demanding "quest".

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